Karl Denninger discusses the problems with the White House Long Form:
No, he says, "layering" is not the only problem.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=185202
Excerpts;
See, the issue isn't layers. Yes, the layers are suspicious, but they're not the smoking gun. The smoking gun is that there are no chromatic artifacts in the Obama document, but the document is allegedly a color scan of an actual piece of paper, and we know it had to be a color scan because the background is allegedly color safety paper.
The Obots were all over
me yesterday with the claim that "well, it could have been an electronic
copy." No, it wasn't. Beyond the fact that certified copies are
always printed to paper and then authenticated (e.g. with a raised seal)
there is documentary evidence that Hawaii did exactly that. Look here. Hawaii produced photocopies - not electronic copies, photostatic copies of the original.Well, that's even more troublesome, because if they were photocopies how is it that the Associated Press and the White House wound up with two very different-looking documents?
How do you take a photocopy and have two different "versions" of that
same piece of paper magically appear - one with a green safety paper
background and the other not? Incidentally, we know factually that the
green "safety paper" in question did not exist and was not used in 1961
as there are dozens of close-in-time actual birth certificates from
Hawaii that have been floating around the Internet and have been
posted. Therefore, given that Hawaii has stated in a public, signed letter that it issued photostatic copies of the original in the bound book the copy on the White House site has to have been - at minimum - "enhanced."AND BEFORE YOU SAY IT IS JUST US CRAZY BIRTHERS:
Here is a link to Obotski Central:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/layers-and-layers-and-layers-oh-my/#comments
I posted a lot of this last night when I was pointing out that it wasn't just us "Idiot" Birthers who had questions. But, here is a good one from there, from a OBOT:
Good Grief! Why could they not have simply put out a simple scan of
the original document. Why get tricky with it? Sure, the
conspiratorial birthers would have continued to believe conspiracies
because that is their nature.
But this sows doubt and disbelief among ordinary people. Once you
are in the position where you have to start talking about automatic
layering to justify the authenticity of your document, you will lose the
average person.
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To gorefan, Slartibartfast, Expelliarmus:
Yes. WE know this. I am just thinking about this from the
standpoint of the public relations disaster this is turning out to be.
The original was NOT on a green security background. To put it on a
green background, they MANIPULATED the image. I am sorry if people
don’t like to hear that said, but THEY (somebody) MANIPULATED IT.
An industry was born this week. Companies are springing up all over
the globe dedicated to somehow getting money or political advantage or
propaganda from the fact that the green PDF image was manipulated in
some way.
We say the truth will come out. But will it? A thousand bogus
“experts” with conspiracy theories can easily overcome the few people
who really know what happened. The average man in the street knows
nothing about PDF layers or chain of custody. He will just look at this
debacle and say “Obviously that looks fake.” Because it DOES look fake
and there was no good reason to mess with it that way.
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[OOH-Obotski calling each other names!!!, again.]
Molly:
Yes. WE know this. I am just thinking about this from the standpoint of
the public relations disaster this is turning out to be. The original
was NOT on a green security background. To put it on a green background,
they MANIPULATED the image. I am sorry if people don’t like to hear
that said, but THEY (somebody) MANIPULATED IT.
OF COURSE the Health Department copied the plain background onto
security paper — that is the PROPER WAY to go about creating a certified
copy from the original.
If they hadn’t done that, then you idiots would be screaming that the bc was fake because it wasn’t on security paper.
And I am going to tell you something: Obama doesn’t care that stupid
birthers think the certificate is fake. He understands that birthers
are total idiots.
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[Go, Molly, go!!!]
Expelliarmus : Why do you need to say “you idiots”? I am not a
birther. But have shown yourself to be a person who cannot carry on a
civil discussion without resorting to name calling.
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[Was this on purpose by the White House???]
Here’s another data point for this layers discussion. I opened the
WH PDF in Gimp. Gimp is capable of displaying layers if they are
present and can also create and manipulate layers like Photoshop. After
opening, the document did NOT display layers. So, I would surmise that
Illustrator is creating these “layers” and they are not in the PDF.
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[some of my favorite stuff was earlier]
Steve Eddy
April 28, 2011 at 4:24 pm (Quote)
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Slartibartfast: I’ve got a ‘disgusting’ and I can give you a really good deal on a ‘putrid’ but it will take some time to get a ‘gross’…
Hmmmm…
Do you have any “offal” laying around perhaps?
Again, I disagree – marginalizing the birthers doesn’t
work by eliminating or explaining all of the isolated anomalous
molehills that they cast as Everest (which isn’t to say that debunking
isn’t a critical part of the response to birthers or that it became any
less important yesterday), it works by convincing all of the reasonable
people that there’s no ‘there’ there.
Sure.
But the White House made that job MUCH more difficult than if they’d have just left the damn raw scan alone.
There are a lot of people who now will classify someone
who starts ranting about these artifacts as malevolent anomalies as a
whackjob (or will do the same when they run across a birther site) who
would have potentially been susceptible to birtherism before yesterday.
But here we’re not talking about simple “artifacts” such as the
scanning and JPEG artifacts in the original scan of the Certification.
This is actual manipulation, which could just as easily have been
done manually by a human operator or automatically by software.
That being said, if they did fiddle with it (in light of
the history of the birthers) then they were either naive, ignorant,
stupid, or filled with Machiavellian cunning…
There’s no doubt it was fiddled with. And that’s the problem, whether
it was done manually or automatically. It was still fiddled with and
there’s absolutely no denying it.
se
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[Even Misha get in on it!]
This reinforces what I posted recently.
Hawaii should have held a presser, and had the original documents for
reporters to inspect and photograph – not released by the WH.
This has poured gasoline on the fire. Trump is really going to make noise now. He’ll be Farah’s megaphone.
Fasten your seatbelts.
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Soooo, I am still withholding my judgment. right now my thought is the White House did it this way on purpose to keep Birtherism alive, but time will tell. A lot of people who are NOT Birthers, like Karl Denninger above, are getting involved, sooo the truth will probably come out for sure how this happened.
Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter
